for four years. i think what's changed is not statistics out of d.c. i think we make a lot of that. it's the perception out in the states. >> but that's been a great point, chuck. when you see people feel better about the economy -- >> well, especially in certain places like in ohio, like virginia where the economy has performed better than the national average. but, you know, it is this, you know, the obama campaign, their belief in this, has been since sort of the bill clinton explanation of digging out of this hole, has been that ultimately that last sliver of swing voters is going to say, ok, let's not change horses mid stream. they are making a classic incumbent case of saying, it's not great, but, hey, do you want to start over? and i go back. i remember watching a couple of focus groups. there was one out in nevada with some working women. and one woman said, i'm not happy with obama. i'm not happy with the economy. but, god, i don't want to have to start over. there's this perception. so that to me is a tricky thing for romney.